holy canoli - yui 2.2.0 released today - Ext JS

#2 02-20-2007, 07:49 PM

yeah it's like having Christmas twice in one week!

I noticed that Yahoo released a grid component (they call it dataTables):
http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/datatable/

After all the hard work Jack put into creating grids it seems a slap in the face from Yahoo to supplant his hard work.

Although, I have to say that the instructions on creating a Yahoo grid are far superior than the yui-ext. I created a grid using Yahoo in 10 minutes flat whereas it has taken me hours/days to create one using yui-ext (I am still trying to create it).

Still it is sad that Yahoo! (with all the resources it has) spent its time on creating a grid rather than another component. There are so many core components to make we don't need another framework using grids. I think this is framework number 1001 that now has a grid component.

#3 02-20-2007, 08:02 PM

It's nice that the updated but i'm still a fan of Jack's Grid. I feel it looks and has more functionality to it. Now i only did play with it for around 10 minutes or so but to me the Ext gird is just better as far as usability in an admin type of system.

Just my 2 cents.

#4 02-20-2007, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobafart

yeah it's like having Christmas twice in one week!

I noticed that Yahoo released a grid component (they call it dataTables):
http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/datatable/

After all the hard work Jack put into creating grids it seems a slap in the face from Yahoo to supplant his hard work.

Although, I have to say that the instructions on creating a Yahoo grid are far superior than the yui-ext. I created a grid using Yahoo in 10 minutes flat whereas it has taken me hours/days to create one using yui-ext (I am still trying to create it).

Still it is sad that Yahoo! (with all the resources it has) spent its time on creating a grid rather than another component. There are so many core components to make we don't need another framework using grids. I think this is framework number 1001 that now has a grid component.

Ext's grid is wayyy sexier.

you must take into account that Yahoo! has much more ressources than Jack(who was a one man army after all ) to build the appropriate documentation for their grid.

#5 02-20-2007, 10:06 PM

[quote="BernardChhun"]

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Originally Posted by Bobafart

Ext's grid is wayyy sexier.

you must take into account that Yahoo! has much more ressources than Jack(who was a one man army after all ) to build the appropriate documentation for their grid.

I understand this (which is why I believe in and donate to Jack's' Ext) but I don't think the masses will.

Jack's Ext is sexier -- no one will dispute that.

I don't want to sound like a downer. I believe in Ext and want to see it grow. Hopefully it will grow faster now that it has merged with JQuery since there will be more developers at the table.

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As an aside I just spent the evening playing with Yahoo's dataTables. My initial impression: Yahoo's are easier to implement/learn however Jack's are hella better. Not just sexier but more functional. There may be more pain in learning Jack's but the gain certainly shows once you get past that learnng curve.

#6 02-21-2007, 01:18 AM

Just to clarify - it not a merger but a partnership to work together on a compatibility API for jQuery and Ext.

The YUI stuff looks great. Congrats to them on their new release!

#7 02-21-2007, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobafart

yeah it's like having Christmas twice in one week!

Although, I have to say that the instructions on creating a Yahoo grid are far superior than the yui-ext. I created a grid using Yahoo in 10 minutes flat whereas it has taken me hours/days to create one using yui-ext (I am still trying to create it).

Well, since there are no real instructions yet on setting up a grid with Ext it's quite easy to be superior to them

I'm not very experienced yet with Javascript but I managed to create a grid, with a Search toolbar above the header (refreshes the grid after 1 second of inactivity), rowclick and rowdoubleclick events and a contextmenu within about 3 hours

I think everyone can set up an Ext grid with a proper tutorial.

Besides, I don't know if it's just me but I get this feeling the yui is just not finished yet. I think this has something to do with the looks.

#8 02-21-2007, 02:46 AM

To be fair, "the masses" are not software developers.

"the masses" do not write C++ Windows based apps.

I can't see why "the masses" would fool around with creating web applications.

I'm going to hold off on installing the new YUI until I have Ext 1.0 working. I've talen a look at their grid, and it's very pedestrian. NO wonder it's easier to get an example working. The simplest example is just a straight HTML <table> that gets massaged a little.

The "Paging" example doesn't do XHR paging - it loades the whole, huge dataset in one enormous XHR, and then shows segments of it. IMHO, there's no point in doing that - it's a waste of bandwidth. Humans can only process so much info visually and mentally. Most of the time, if they get a message saying "Page 1 of 100", they're going to either have done the correct filtering/sorting to know that the data they want will be in the first couple of pages, or they're going to think "fek this", and go back and correct their filter/sort criteria.

#9 02-21-2007, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Animal

To be fair, "the masses" are not software developers.

The "Paging" example doesn't do XHR paging - it loades the whole, huge dataset in one enormous XHR, and then shows segments of it. IMHO, there's no point in doing that - it's a waste of bandwidth.

Furthermore, it doesn't work for large datasets since the client does not have unlimited RAM.

#10 02-21-2007, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Animal

The "Paging" example doesn't do XHR paging

Actually there is an XHR pagination example right here:
http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/examp...paginated.html

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Originally Posted by Bobafart

After all the hard work Jack put into creating grids...

We're fans of Jack's work as we've said repeatedly.
http://yuiblog.com/blog/2006/10/10/ten-questions-slocum
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/y...t/message/9475

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Originally Posted by jacksloc

Just to clarify - it not a merger but a partnership to work together on a compatibility API for jQuery and Ext.

The YUI stuff looks great. Congrats to them on their new release!

Thanks Jack, that's very kind of you, and congrats to you too! It will be exciting to see your extensions work interchangably on top of both YUI and jQuery.

I gotta say, I've always been a proponent of frontend engineering but even I didn't predict the extent of the renaissance we're all in these days. What fun!

Thanks
Nate
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Nate Koechley
Yahoo! User Interface Library